{"id":748,"date":"2011-09-27T16:22:46","date_gmt":"2011-09-28T00:22:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/?p=748"},"modified":"2015-08-01T11:52:56","modified_gmt":"2015-08-01T19:52:56","slug":"make-timer-wireless-remotes-work-on-lite-fx-fog-machines","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/item\/make-timer-wireless-remotes-work-on-lite-fx-fog-machines","title":{"rendered":"Make Timer &#038; Wireless Remotes Work On Lite F\/X Fog Machines"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The Lite F\/X 1741 fogger was cheap and readily available a few years ago.\u00a0 Many of us have one or more of them that still work great.\u00a0 One down-side to these fog machines is that it&#8217;s tough to find fog timer remotes and wireless remotes that actually work with them.\u00a0 I&#8217;ll show you how to make common remotes that are readily available work with these foggers.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/litefx-fogger1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-749\" title=\"Lite F\/X Fog Machine\" src=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/litefx-fogger1.jpg\" alt=\"Lite F\/X Fog Machine\" width=\"500\" height=\"461\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/litefx-fogger1.jpg 500w, http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/litefx-fogger1-200x184.jpg 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><!--more-->When you go down to your local party store, they have fog remotes that have the same kind of connector as the Lite F\/X units have, so you&#8217;d think that they would be compatible.\u00a0 It&#8217;s true that several manufacturers use IEC-320 C13\/C14 connectors, but Lite F\/X uses one pinout and everybody else uses a different one.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-remote-schematic.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-750\" title=\"Fog Machine Remote Schematic\" src=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-remote-schematic.jpg\" alt=\"Fog Machine Remote Schematic\" width=\"500\" height=\"321\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-remote-schematic.jpg 500w, http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-remote-schematic-200x128.jpg 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<table border=\"1\" width=\"200\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"10\" align=\"center\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"10\"><strong>Pin<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Function<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>L<\/td>\n<td>Line<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>N<\/td>\n<td>Neutral<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>O<\/td>\n<td>Output<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The above schematic is drawn as if you are looking at the male connector that is attached to the remote from the pin side.\u00a0 The first thing we notice is that the button connects the same two pins together when you press it.\u00a0 This explains why simple button-and-light remotes from other manufacturers work on the Lite F\/X foggers (even though the lights act a little weird), but when you get a fancier remote that requires power from the machine, it does not work.<\/p>\n<p>Most foggers that use this type of connector have the same 3 signals on their pins: Line, Neutral and Output.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Line:<\/strong> Connects to the &#8220;Line&#8221; wire of the power plug<\/li>\n<li><strong>Neutral:<\/strong> Connects to the &#8220;Neutral&#8221; wire of the power plug<\/li>\n<li><strong>Output:<\/strong> Hooks to the fog machine&#8217;s pump.\u00a0 Connect this pin to the Line pin to make the fogger operate.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Looking at the above schematic, we see that the Neutral pin stays the same between all manufacturers, and that the Line and Output pins are reversed between Lite F\/X and everyone else.\u00a0 This means that it&#8217;s a simple task to convert a remote from one standard to the other.\u00a0 You just need to take it apart and reverse the Line and Output wires.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s an example of this mod performed on a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B001QEHC4G\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=modd3d-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399373&amp;creativeASIN=B001QEHC4G\">fog timer remote<\/a> that is readily available:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-timer-remote.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-751\" title=\"Fog Machine Timer Remote\" src=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-timer-remote-500x335.jpg\" alt=\"Fog Machine Timer Remote\" width=\"500\" height=\"335\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-timer-remote-500x335.jpg 500w, http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-timer-remote-200x134.jpg 200w, http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-timer-remote.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>When you take these remotes apart, it&#8217;s not immediately obvious why the board doesn&#8217;t just come right out.\u00a0 The trick is to desolder the 3 buttons as they are the panel-mount kind and can&#8217;t be pulled through the front of the case.\u00a0 There are a total of 6 points you need to desolder:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-timer-remote-desolder-these.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-762\" title=\"Desolder to Remove PCB\" src=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-timer-remote-desolder-these-500x355.jpg\" alt=\"Desolder to Remove PCB\" width=\"500\" height=\"355\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-timer-remote-desolder-these-500x355.jpg 500w, http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-timer-remote-desolder-these-200x142.jpg 200w, http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-timer-remote-desolder-these.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;ll need to remove the 2 knobs too.\u00a0 They just pull off.\u00a0 After doing those 2 steps the board should lift right out of the case.<\/p>\n<p>In this remote the Line and Out connections are clearly marked, so we know that we need to swap the white and green wires.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-timer-remote-modified.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-752\" title=\"Fog Machine Timer Remote Modified\" src=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-timer-remote-modified-500x316.jpg\" alt=\"Fog Machine Timer Remote Modified\" width=\"500\" height=\"316\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-timer-remote-modified-500x316.jpg 500w, http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-timer-remote-modified-200x126.jpg 200w, http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-timer-remote-modified.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s another example using a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B003IB5CC4\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B003IB5CC4&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=modd3d-20\" target=\"_blank\">wireless remote<\/a> I found:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-wireless-remote.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-753\" title=\"Fog Machine Wireless Remote\" src=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-wireless-remote-500x395.jpg\" alt=\"Fog Machine Wireless Remote\" width=\"500\" height=\"395\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-wireless-remote-500x395.jpg 500w, http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-wireless-remote-200x158.jpg 200w, http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-wireless-remote.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-wireless-remote-modified.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-754\" title=\"Fog Machine Wireless Remote Modified\" src=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-wireless-remote-modified-500x301.jpg\" alt=\"Fog Machine Wireless Remote Modified\" width=\"500\" height=\"301\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-wireless-remote-modified-500x301.jpg 500w, http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-wireless-remote-modified-200x120.jpg 200w, http:\/\/www.modd3d.com\/articles\/wp-content\/uploads\/fog-machine-wireless-remote-modified.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Once again the connections are clearly marked on the board, so this is an easy mod.\u00a0 Just swap the white and green wires.\u00a0 Notice a pattern?\u00a0 The manufacturers of these remotes buy their IEC-320 C14 cables pre-made, and since they are typically used as a standard power cable, the same colors always go to the same pins.\u00a0 (Well, mostly.\u00a0 I did find one with a red wire instead of green once).\u00a0 This means that even if you get a remote that doesn&#8217;t have the connections labeled anywhere, it&#8217;s easy to determine which two wires to swap.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>The short version:\u00a0 If you get a fogger remote and it doesn&#8217;t work on your Lite F\/X fog machine, take the remote apart and swap the white and green wires.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That&#8217;s it.\u00a0 Lots of explanation for a simple mod.\u00a0 There aren&#8217;t many remotes that are made to work with the Lite\/FX foggers right out of the box, but this mod will let you use easy to find but incompatible remotes with your machine.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Lite F\/X 1741 fogger was cheap and readily available a few years ago.\u00a0 Many of us have one or more of them that still work great.\u00a0 One down-side to these fog machines is that it&#8217;s tough to find fog timer remotes and wireless remotes that actually work with them.\u00a0 I&#8217;ll show you how to 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